Professional Science Master’s in Environmental Science -Virtual Information Session

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Alright, we're going to give everybody just a moment to log in and then we're going to go ahead and get started.

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All right, well, thank everyone for joining. I want to, if you want to make sure that you can hear all of us, for those of us who are, for those of you who are joining us live, welcome. My name is Jen Radwanski, and I'm the associate director for graduate admissions here at Stockton University. We are joined by one of my amazing colleagues from our professional science master's program, environmental science, our program chair doctor.

And we are going to give you some insight on why this program might be a good fit for you all.

And so with that being said, I'm going to turn things over to him. But few housekeeping things. We are recording this. And so for those of you who are joining us live, I wanted to let you know there is a chat feature on the side. You may want to wait to put your questions in the chat until the end. However, those of you who are joining us and watching this pre recorded, we will share our contact information at the end for you to learn more about this program and to contact us and reach out with additional questions. So without further ado, Doctor Tarangia, take it away.

OK, Thanks, Jen. I'm excited to do this again. I know I we did another session last year and I am the chair and professor also in the environmental science PSM and we have a sister program also in Costa zone management and we our curricula are kind of.

They're very closely related. So we share courses. I've been here Stockton for about 20 years now and.

So I'm very, I've been involved in this program for over 13 years now. So some of the things that I'm going to discuss with you today include what the PSM degree really is. A lot of people are a little confused when they see PSM instead of just Master of Science. And so I'll discuss what that is and then I'll talk a little bit about the curriculum.

Then what the career prospects are, and then Jen and I will.

We'll discuss how you can apply and process involved. So first of all, a professional science master's degree is a degree is a is a master's of science degree. Really that is, that is a result of the marriage of business courses, business and professional courses.

And science courses. So for example, I have a Master of Science degree in mind was in geochemistry. All I did was just take geochemistry courses to take a chemistry courses. I had a writing course here and the teaching course there. But most of what I did was just chemistry and geochemistry courses for a professional science master's degree.

Awesome part about this degree really is that it marries business skills with those science courses. So we offer skills that will help people excel in the professional environment. So skills like project management software.

Issues like GIS in our program, things related to ethics, anything that deals with professional development. So even one of the courses that we teach.

It's called professional rating. So why focus on that? Because we notice that employers were complaining in the past that our graduates, well, they're really good scientists. They didn't have a lot of really good soft or professional skills. So that's how So it addresses a deficiency. And this is not just yet structured nationally, a lot of people who have these degrees.

Are highly marketable. In fact we have.

We place pretty much all our students when they graduate, we place them all. There's no one here who graduates with our professional science masters who does not get placed into a position in the end. In fact, most of them replace them before they graduate and they'll talk about that in a second. So professional science masters are not going anywhere. In fact, we just at the conference in Philadelphia.

In November and.

This is going to 2017, but going to 2023, when the last data were collected, the number of professional degrees that are being offered in the United States in the number of professional.

Graduates Professional degree graduates are increasing.

You say exponentially because industry is really looking for people who are ready to.

Go off from day one, we have the skills that they need, we understand how the business environment works without having to train them for another two years when they get there so.

Other STEM fields that have professional science masters include biotechnology, forensics, physical sciences, financial mathematics, agricultural science, especially the food biotechnology field and computers like analytics, data analytics.

GIS and all those in environmental science, of course, multiple disciplines. I just talked about courses on management here as well. So if you look at just another question that I get a lot from students is that when they look up degrees, right? Professional science masters are not out there, right? So they're like, if I get this weird looking degree.

Will people recognize it? Yes, people recognize it. And starting as early as 22,009 2009 actually.

You know, a lot of universities were over The Pioneers in field were offering these degrees and we started offering hours in 2012 and although it was approved a little earlier and starting 2015, you could see this degree featured in a lot of different places so.

So it is just stuck for a second and So what are some of the things that we.

Provide that we offer What are some of the skills that we offer in our degree for the professional science masters in environmental science we want to create?

We have a curriculum that we created that forces learning in multidisciplinary cross sector areas that allow students to look at.

Uh, either whether it's policy, whether it's decision making or addressing environment of problems, we want them to be able to look in a multidisciplinary way and we want them to be able to see the intersections between what they're doing with that, with what other fields really do. And we also want students to understand. And one of the things that I really.

I like about focusing on success postgraduate rather than just general success in life is that you want when our students graduate, you want them to have the skills and understand the deficiencies, Understand that This is why people don't do well in industry. And this is these are the skills that we were taught because they address those gaps, right? So.

Of the things that a lot of people focus on, like I know in my masters program when I went to school, like before dinosaurs went extinct, we focused on communication skills. But the communication skills were mostly me talking like I'm doing right now talking to you, but they didn't really focus much on listening and also trying to understand other people.

And in a in a recent conference that I attended, one of the speakers said.

No one is ever listened their way out of a job. People always talk their way out of a job, right? I thought there was really an amazing observation because most of us are. Even when you talk about communication skills, I bet there are few people on this call. When I talk about communication, the first thing that comes to mind is how well you communicate either orally or verbally. But listening?

Advertising and trained to understand another viewpoint is not something that is emphasized. So we have listened to people in industry in a lot of our courses incorporate these skills so that our students when they graduate, they are also good listening listeners. And then of course we want our students to understand cutting edge research and all the new knowledge in the fields that they are going into. And so we try to also incorporate all that in our.

Curriculum and of course, ethics, understanding differences in perspective, differences in culture, gender, things that bring things that can be really helpful. When you have teams that have different voices in them, that can be really helpful. But what we also know is that often when you have teams that have many different, that are made-up of people with different cultural identities, different genders.

Classic people coming from different background, if they don't understand how to interact, that can also cause conflict. So we make sure that our students understand is they get out of the door that you're going to work with people who are very different from you and you have to understand, you have to have the skills to excel and work on teams like that so.

Our curriculum is actually pretty simple. You can think of it as having.

Two components, right, The science component and then the professional component. So if you look at the science courses, they pretty much those, that's where the environmental science is, right?

That's what ecosystem ecology, Environmental Quality is actually teaching Environmental Quality course and then land use planning. It's often said that you can solve all our environmental problems by just designing better cities. Because if you look at where we go wrong, like where climate change gets to clean out gases, water pollution, deforestation, habitat loss, all those are coming from.

Designing cities and even rural areas in ways that promote too much driving, Ways that promote traffic congestion. If you change how?

We use our land and if you design better cities, it makes it a lot easier and you won't be polluting the environment. I'm just saying it's been said you can solve all those problems that way. Of course if you talk to any ecologist, they have their own way of looking at this and even I as a chemist I I think we can design better things, better material things even living in.

Without necessarily.

Changing a lot about how we live.

And still be better, but land use planning is an awesome course because it brings in a perspective that helps you understand a lot of the problems that we have in the environment. So all these, the science courses and then watershed management, applied GIS in the, all the courses that I'm reading out now are core courses. Everyone needs to take those. And then we have the professional courses that also everyone has to take in the program.

And they include project management, professional writing, and the caps on project.

You can also take an ethics course as a professional course as an elective. We have each student can take up to four elective courses. One of the elective courses I teach is on climate change and ecosystems.

Other professors teach courses that include wetlands, wetlands, soils.

Courses in One professor teaches a course in.

It's an advanced entomology course that deals with insect species and then if you look at how.

Professional how PSM degrees in general?

Vary in what they call they teach you see that our program actually kind of covers the most important or the most important skills that employers are looking at.

Because.

If you look at these skills in the fields that are listed on this table, we incorporate a lot of those in our courses. I just mentioned ethics and project management, right? And then technical scientific skills that that's all in the science portion of that. So leadership in communication, remember that professional writing course and computer for us, we don't teach computer programming, but one of the courses that you saw there that said applied GIS, that applied geograph.

Information Systems. It uses computer graphing systems to create maps, and you can take this course even without undergraduate address. It's designed so that you can.

Start with beginners and teach pretty advanced courses, advanced techniques. And for those who are really interested in that field, there's another advanced vision of that course and then.

Some of our courses also include policy.

So.

A, a few examples. Yeah, I'll talk about two of them actually, on why this degree is really important and why it makes sense to have people who actually understand what's happening in the real world. If you look at those these pictures on the on the screen, that's in China and that's in Orchard, Pennsylvania and Airport Orchard.

In these areas and your eyes are not playing tricks on you. Those are people on ladders or on chairs.

Using their hands, one of them is actually holding Yeah, you see this this guy is holding this little thing with bristles at the end because that area just doesn't have bees anymore. Even commercial beehives just don't work in those areas because the conditions are just not conducive to beehive surviving. So what they are resorting to now is using human, human pollinators. So they.

You know, this might sound ridiculous actually. They use those that brush to go and brush that little brush when it on, on flowers of one tree and then go and brush it on just like a bee would do. Except the beer. Beer will be going for nectar and then it brushes in accidentally and then goes to the next one. And if you're wondering how efficient is this, right, it's less than 1% efficient.

It is less than 1% efficiency of bees, but it's something because without doing this then they won't be able to grow these trees. So these human pollinators and you can imagine the type of occupational hazard involved in.

Especially look at this guy, right? This is what we end up doing if we don't take care of things that we need to do. And bees, by the way, pollinate for us for free. You don't have to, you don't have to feed bees. You don't have to to house them. You don't need to do anything, right? But all you have to do is to manage the environment in a way that allows bees to survive and they'll come. I know this very well because outside my house we have all these.

Plants that sometimes actually in early spring, sometimes it's kind of dangerous to go out there with bees are everywhere and if you get in their path, but it's possible also to manage the environment in a way that.

Actually can't destroy bees. So this is one example. The other example. I like telling this story a lot because.

It's, it's a scientist. I can actually see some of my colleagues. I can actually picture what I have a lot of friends who are scientists and they can actually picture some of my friends easily doing this, right. So the story is told that a farmer, a daily farmer was having these.

Problems His cows were not producing enough milk so.

He approached researchers from the nearest university and asked him, how can I improve my male chaos? And they said, oh, what? What research would would tell you what to do? Come and we'll do, we'll analyze the situation. So they did. To their credit, they went and they analyzed the situation. They took measurements.

They measured the cows, they looked at where they were staying and everything, everything just to set up. And then they came back.

With a solution, the problem is that the solution that they were proposing was that it only applies to spherical cows, right? Spherical cows living in a vacuum, right? So it's a brilliant solution if cows are spherical and they live in a vacuum. But since cows are not spherical and they don't, they don't, they don't live in a vacuum, it's a completely useless solution, right? And I think sometimes.

We get really carried away on understanding scientific concepts and doing things in the absolute without really going in and just being on the ground and seeing what are the real issues that.

That people face, and so one thing that I am proud of is the director of this program is that we design our courses and our experiences.

To to mirror real world experiences and a lot of our courses are field based.

And I know that there are a lot of students who also reach out to us from many different parts of the country who want to take online courses. We have decided that for us, our niche really is to cater to students who want these experience based courses where we get into the field and we get dirty. If you're teaching any, if you're in our ecology course, you're going to get in a wetland and get stuck in a wetland at some point.

And of those who do these experiences online, they design.

Experiences they design experiences that also allow you to go and get stuck in a wetland somewhere. You get the field experience. So we we are proud to offer those courses like that and then the other option that we have here and I know that there's at least one person here who asked me about the dual program, the accelerated program we also.

Have the opportunity for undergraduate students who.

I would like to.

Take the to also have a PSM at the end of their undergraduate degree and instead of taking four years to do the undergraduate and two years to do the PSM which will be 6 years, we offer an accelerated version which allows you to start taking graduate courses in your junior year. That way you can actually complete the requirements for both the professional science Masters degree.

In the bachelor's degree in six years.

So a question I get all the time is what happens if at the end of my fourth year, I decide I'm done? I just don't want to to be in school anymore. And this happens quite a bit, actually. I think we average about 8:00 or so as students in this program. Usually one or two every year will decide I've I've had enough in life happens, right? There's certain things that will happen that will make it difficult for you to come back for another year. So. Yeah. So they're allowed to graduate with their bachelor's degree, so.

It's not.

Do or die on this, you can actually in your 48 decide that OK, I will just take it to my undergrad And so if you finish the curriculum by the 4th year, you can get your undergraduate degree and move on. But if you want to continue in your 58, you can finish and get sorry, this is the end of the fourth year because you start taking these courses in a junior year and then you can just come back for these six courses and give your masters degree. But you notice that.

You would have been taking graduate courses starting way before that. So why the excited program? Well, you pretty much shave a year off from that, right? A year is pretty significant, especially if you consider if you just want to see if you just look at it from career advancement.

A year is is significant in terms of time if you look at it even just look putting money down if you start working a year.

Earlier than others in Europe putting money down towards retirement, that money was put down a year earlier. We put up a lot faster. So and also if you have plans about family and all those things are getting started is also pretty significant and it saves money because you you're not.

You end up double dipping with some of the courses.

A question that I get a lot also from prospective students is.

I work, I have kids, and this is just going to be really difficult.

Yeah, we've actually looked at all that. And one of the things that that we pride ourselves in doing here in the PSM is that we look at our students individually. Like is it program director for the PSM? I can tell you that I know every student in the program. I know exactly their situation and know where they work and what their issues are, and they try to work with them.

To make sure that I meet them where they are and help them succeed. And the profile of our students is actually mirrors that of the national trends where there we have some students who are relatively young who are doing the exerted program right. We also have students who are mature. We've been out in the workforce for 15 years.

18 years and they want a masters for professional development.

We have friends who have been working in another field and then just decided.

That.

You, you want to switch fields and you want something that that that is a little more fulfilling for you. We also help those and we also have students who are not just working, but their family and there's flexibility.

Now you can do this program in 5-6 years, which is fine. And to help you meet all those objectives, we don't offer any courses before 6:00 PM. All our courses are offered.

Pretty much setting at 6:00 PM on Monday to Friday. In fact, we don't offer questions on Friday anymore because we also had discussions with our students and Fridays are just really difficult.

For courses, we used to offer courses on weekends, weekend afternoons, but they interfere with family time. So we decided we're going to focus on just offering our courses Monday evening, Tuesday evening, Wednesday evening and Thursday evening. And it works perfectly for a lot of our students.

And I see the question in the chat there, how flexible we are pretty flexible if you are coming into the program without.

A good solid background in environmental science, but you have a science background.

We recommend pre courses that will help you prepare for our courses. So will you get a job? Yeah, you will get a job. It's amazing just how when you look at, for me, this is one of the things that keeps me going. I was just talking to Jenny earlier saying, oh man, I've been doing this for a long time. I'm getting really tired. But the thing that really keeps me going.

It was when I get a call from a student who is like, man, I don't know what's happening with my life right now. I mean my 30s. I know I don't want to work in this field for the rest of my life.

The ideal being another field but a science field and I am just hesitant about starting afresh. And so I told them, don't quit your job right now right? You are working at 9:00 to 5:00, whatever. Start taking courses in our program since their evening courses anyway. The only thing you have to sacrifice is time. And usually after about a year of taking those courses, I will look for internships or places where I can place them so that they can either.

Here or work just to get experience and when when we take that approach pretty much I, I, I guarantee properly 7080% success rate and the reason I say 7080% success rate is that often times a lot of my some of my students when they do this.

Even when they get the degree, they are really scared if say they were senior in the other field, right? Say they were in health care and they had reached a senior position.

Yeah. And their hesitancy, well, where, where I'm going, I'm not really starting in a senior position. So and they, they become a little hesitant, some of them. But those who are really committed to switching 100% they will get a job. And it gives me great satisfaction to be able to help students who I see struggling.

When we're happy with what they're doing and help them transition into all those foods. So where are they going? Mostly government. They are mostly going to the government. So the DEP, state government, federal government, EPA.

Bureau of Land Management and county governments. County departments of health.

And then the National Natural Resource Conservation Service, that's federal, and then private consulting.

In fact, I would say the two biggest employers of our students are private consulting and consulting firms and government. And we also get a lot of teachers in our program who come in because they want to to be able to teach it community colleges or four year colleges and the minimum requirement is a masters degree, so.

We we are able to help them meet those requirements and we.

We designed their capstone so that it fits what they want to do post graduation. So what are the requirements?

That's pretty easy. In general, you need a degree from a regionally accredited institution that will that we recognize as a as a degree and it has to be in a science field. If you don't have a science degree and you've been working in the area of science.

That will recommend that you take we've had students we've taken that this route and we request that you have a minimum college.

GPA of three.

But depending on where you're coming from also, right, we look at the total package because we are dealing with people who are mature for the most part. And usually we recommend for people who are coming in without a science degree and they've been working in the science field in technical fields.

We usually are able to help them and get it to courses and Jen is going to help me because she's the one who deals. You probably will deal more with Jen than me when you're doing the application process.

And This is why we're a great team. So it's a team effort to, to do this. So, umm, so let's talk a little bit more about, yeah, how do we apply? Umm, we, we've heard some just wonderful things about this program and all the wonderful things that you can be learning. And, umm, I think you got a good taste from today's presentation, not only about the program itself, but an idea of what a class would even look like. And I think that's a wonderful, you know.

Thing that we've been able to share with you today. So Doctor Sharanji, thank you for doing that. I actually really enjoy your presentation as well, and I'm not even in the program.

Umm, so let's talk about how do you apply? Uh, you know, we've talked about all these engaging items. The first thing is, umm, there is an application fee. There is a $50, um, fee for the application. We do have some types of waivers and we could talk about that on a one-on-one basis depending on the situation. And so please reach out if you have additional questions. But all of our applicants must do an essay and it's all programs, not just, uh, the PSM environmental science program, but all of the programs that Stockton have an essay. The essay will be viewable to you.

Prompt for that essay, once you put in the $50.00 deposit or the waiver code, we get lots of questions saying well what is the essay and, and umm, it's different again for all of our different programs, but there is one for every program and that populates and gives you all the instructions. Once that's there, the next is letters of recommendation. Those are all done online, which is very simple for both you and your recommenders. Recommenders should be individuals who can speak to your academic success. They should be people that you've had in classes prior or.

If you do work in the field of environmental science, people who can speak to your, your workability as you know a supervisor, many times we get questions. Well, you know, my next door neighbor has known me for 25 years and they can speak to my academic integrity. That would be great. But no, we want to see someone who has actually seen your work, senior classroom experience. And although your next door neighbors probably absolutely fantastic, that's not the kind of letter of recommendation we're looking for. It does need to be an academic or professional 1.

Yes, please.

This is really important, Jen, if you don't mind interrupting this. Yeah, because sometimes people will have may not have a science degree, right. And but they've been working in solar, they've been doing solar installations. They've been doing. So they have great experience. Just that's the best time now to get someone we've been working with who says this person understands the science. They understand all the they understand all these things. Don't give someone who comes in to say, well, I'm his uncle and I.

They're they're a person of high integrity, which is good to know, but it doesn't speak to your ability to complete the program and it makes it very difficult for us to judge your application.

Yes, yes, it's, it's really, really critical. It's probably one of the most important things we could share with you. Umm, the other part of that too is having a conversation. Umm, before you start your application with the individuals that you're asking to write your letters of recommendation, umm, let them know that you're planning on doing this. Let them know about the program so that they can speak accordingly in their letter and umm, what you'll do is you're simply going to put their name, their e-mail address and their title in your application and then we send them the electronic form to complete, but it's.

Good. If you let them know that that's coming, we get lots of folks to respond back and say, I'm not familiar with what's happening here. And I always refer back to the students, say you should reach out to your recommenders first, but also give them a copy of your resume. Let them know again what your intentions are. And again, it'll really help them to write their letter. And I always also share with people, once you know the result of your application, reach back out to your recommenders and let them know that too. Whatever the way that maybe they spent a lot of time on that and and let keep them updated on your progress. It's always just a nice little gesture on the side.

Yeah.

So next you'll upload a copy of your resume.

You'll do so in a PDF format that's letting us know of your background and your experiences. And you know, that's everything from your volunteer work and awards and and also your work experience. Anything you can brag about, you know, make sure to put that on your resume and to share that with us. That's very important. And then the last piece are official transcripts. We need to receive official transcripts from every institution that you've attended. So if you have an associate's degree or if you have another master's degree or you just took graduate or excuse me.

Undergraduate, graduate courses at another institution and then transferred, whatever that may be. We have to receive every single one of those transcripts in order to evaluate your application. Now, if you happen to be a Stockton student, we usually are able to pull those for you and you can drop us a note if you start an application, let us know. We're happy to do that. And usually we run through all of the applications and if we see them, we'll pull those for you. But if you're not a Stockton student or you have transcripts from elsewhere that have not been sent to Stockton previously, we will need you to have those forwarded.

Recommend doing that electronically. You can have them sent by regular mail, but doing them electronically has been absolutely a fantastic new endeavor if you have not done so.

Every institution uses a a formal online system to send them and it usually takes no more than two to three business days. I've actually seen it where students have sent us them in the morning and we receive them by the afternoon. It's quite a fast and efficient process and so don't be worried about that part of things.

And then the last is we do have the direct entry opportunity for students who are Stockton graduates. It's good for one year after the completion of your degree here at Stockton and there is a different application for that. Direct entry does not, it's not an automatic into the program, but it is a shorter application, you know, because you've been academically successful, have the proper prerequisites and have graduated just recently from the institution or are planning to graduate. So again, if you're a may graduate, you could do a direct entry application.

Few meet those requirements and that can happen in in the last, you know, spring semester again, if you, let's say you're for example, graduating in May.

MMM.

So those are the components and what I want to show you next is what our application site looks like. I'm also going to drop. I know we have some questions which we will get to in just a second, but I want to drop this link into the chat. This is the link for the environmental science program. And once you click the apply button on that program, this is where it takes you just to give you a little bit of a visual.

We have a direct entry link, the Apply Now link, and then the Apply now link is also the one you would go back to if you start your application, you start loading, you know you're going to go have dinner and you're going to come back to it. It logs you out. You hit the Apply now button again and you'll log in as a returning user. So that's another frequently asked question that we get. So with all of that being said, Tate and I would love to take any questions that you have. This is the contact information for both of us. But if you want to take a few moments to drop some questions in the chat, we'll go ahead and take the questions.

That we haven't gotten to yet.

Let's see. Great question.

Umm, do military, uh, veteran benefits apply like the Post 911 and GI Bill? Yes. Umm, that's a great question. However, I'm going to defer you to our Office of Financial Aid. Umm, it is specific to it. It depends on what you've used prior. Umm, a lot of different factors. And I don't want to say that I'm the expert on it, but I do. What I can tell you is we do have an expert in military and veteran umm.

Financial aid in our financial aid office. Uh, so that's just her sole responsibility. Her name too is Jennifer. Umm, but if you go into the financial aid website, I can drop that link in there and the contact information, but you'll want to speak with Jennifer specifically in the office of financial aid and she would be very, very happy to help you. And we have a very military and veteran friendly institution both from our graduate process to our.

Financial aid process and then also services that we provide to students after they are already here, including our military veteran services office.

And we have actually graduated one person who I'm not sure what their funding was. So you you still want to talk to to Janice and mentioned and they ended up being deployed.

A year before they finished and we helped them, they managed to finish while they were gone because they were taking courses from wherever they were. Yeah.

OK.

That's awesome. Fantastic. So yes, I dropped that information in there.

All right, any other additional questions that anyone has, I do have to say, umm, I was at a, an in person session, umm, a grad school fair and someone approached me from another school, the hosting school and they said, umm, if you had to give him one reason, the best reason why someone should attend Graduate School at Stockton, what would it be? And without hesitation, I said, our faculty, there is no question that the faculty here at Stockton, uh, truly, truly care about their students and doctor.

Is a prime example of that we have worked together for many many years and I am always so proud to be able to share how much our faculty care about our students are committed to our program. You're not a number they know every single one of the students in their graduate programs they they know how to assist you they they they really work to help and I am so proud to be able to share that with all of our prospective students as one of the biggest strengths of attending a program here at Stockton so I hope that you.

Thanks, Jen.

Consider for that reason, it was one of many here at our institution. So I don't see any other questions in our chat. So I thank you all so much for joining us. Doctor Taranji, thank you again for taking the time to share your wealth of knowledge, experience, and your passion for your program. If you have additional questions, please don't hesitate to reach out to either one of us. And we wish you all a wonderful day. Take care everyone. Bye bye.

OK, take care. Bye bye.